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Thursday, November 17, 2005


Hello all, I've been working on this logical argument for some time now.  I was wondering if I could have your thoughts and ideas.  Please point out what you see wrong with it or right with it or what doesn't make sense.  I'm trying to refine this argument.  Calvinists welcome! Please feel free to point out what you see wrong.

Exploring Freewill

Overarching Principles
-God is bound by nothing but himself.

-Sin is the absence of God.  It is not an entity of itself.

Under these principles please consider the following:

A. People sin on earth.
B. Sinning is against God's will.
C. Therefore God's will is directly in opposition to what is happening on earth.

The resulting phenomenon
-If C is true then God must allow people to commit acts that go against his will. We say God allows this because nothing, even humanity, can bind God.

Defining the above phenomenon
-God's allowance for freewill

The resulting possibilities

-the questioning of direct control

A) If God is in direct control of all things then he is also in control of the fact that people sin.  If this is so, then God actually directly controls people to sin.

B) However, If God gives up some of His control and ordains an environment of freewill then God does not lead people to sin.  What He does is allow for the choice of sin to exist.

-the questioning of predestination

A) If God created people to be elected by Him, then this suggests that God created people to be rejected by Him.  Therefore, if people are predestined to be elected or rejected then God does not allow for freewill.

1) If the above statement is true then a rejected individual can not choose to sin, rather, the life of sin is chosen for the individual and in fact is forced upon the individual.  This forced sin is due to the reality that we have established that God does not allow for freewill.

a) This can not be true due to the overarching principle of the definition of sin.  God declares his purpose and existence with the statement “I AM”.  God just is, but whatever is not God is sin.  This is due to the fact that sin is the absence of God and not an entity in and of itself.  Therefore, under the above statement, God would be forcing sin upon His creation.  He would be forcing the absence of Him upon something that was made in His image.  How could God force something that He is not?

B) One could accept that God created people in His image.  This means that God created people to be like Him.  In order to be like God you must not have sin.  This is the story of Adam and Eve.  However, we know in the story that God sought a loving relationship with man.  Love requires freewill, otherwise it isn’t true love.  True love requires that both parties accept the covenant.  In order for this acceptance to take place there must be choice introduced into the equation.  This is introduced by God when he creates the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  This tree is the allowance for freewill.

1) If God allows for freewill so that a true loving relationship can exist, then God can not predestine who will choose Him.  This predestination would negate the existence of freewill.

a) The character of God remains intact due to the fact that He is giving the gift of choice.  He is not forcing some of His creation to choose sin.

 

Complications of freewill

-God’s role in the world

A) If the environment of freewill is accepted then one has to also accept that an unwanted intervention by God (in our daily lives) would negate freewill.  Therefore, if God is to intervene then the individual must ask for it in some way.  Basically, one must have faith that God will intervene in order for God to do so.  This is not to say that God would choose to intervene all the time when asked.  However, there arises a paradoxical question out of this assumption.

1) Why did God save man in the environment of freewill when man chose sin?  Under the environment of freewill, this grace has to be asked for.  Did Adam and Eve ask for grace and forgiveness?  Is that what we do when we accept Christ?

a) This is where exploring freewill becomes fuzzy and nebulous.  How can one action of freewill override the previous action?  How can the rejection of God with sin be overridden with asking for forgiveness later?  Is this Christ?  Is being saved having some “overriding will”?  Is your will to follow Christ a general principle and your stumbling just a temporary distraction?  What in the world separates the difference between your actions of freewill?  How can mercy be defined in this environment? 


Wednesday, November 16, 2005


I was just thinking…if the Republican Party is God’s party then why not go one step further?




Monday, September 05, 2005

Currently Listening
Citizen Cope
By Citizen Cope
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"Son's Gonna Rise"

Rollin' down the highway
Like a rocket
Headed to town now
You can't stop it
Got wheel in my hand
As I stand
On the floor
Of the board
Of this car
On the road
Got this woman in the back seat
Yeah she's my wifey
In the middle of the delivery
Man she saves me
To this day I don't know why
She picked me up
When i was down on the road
With the wind when it blowed

Well a son's gonna rise in a mile
In a mile
In a mile
You'll be feeling fine
In a mile you will see
After me
You'll be out of the dark, yeah
You'll get your shot

I miss you guys.  DC is great.  Much love.  Let's get this started.


Tuesday, August 02, 2005

Currently Listening
Grand Champ
By DMX
the rain
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Now I know
Only I
Can bring
The rain

Dear ms. fairytale,
 I promise clouds, rain, and smiles.   I promise a safe place.  I promise a world with out fear.  I promise a world of trust.  I promise this world is already here.  I promise we have just been pretending the fairytale was a nightmare.  I promise it's not really dark out there.  I promise we have been fooled to worry.  I promise worry has no place here or near.  I promise because I know.  I know only I can bring the rain.  I remember.  Here comes the rain to break this dry kingdom.  Now I know...Only I...can bring....the rain.  Let it rain.  Let it pour.  Let it soak this dreamland.  Once we thought living in our dreams was impossible...now we are afraid this dreamland will turn into a nightmare.  Sleep well...sleep deep...and wake up to the rain.



Sunday, July 24, 2005

Currently Listening
Another 700 Miles
By 3 Doors Down
this road im on
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So much hurt...i'll explain tomorrow.



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